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Are you sure that no players drove carts, say during warm ups, out there... Indeed, I saw a number of players abusing carts... On the other hand, I don't recall any of the staff taking advantage of the carts.

As for the rest of it, that's why I wrote "I have to wonder" as opposed to "I know what's going on." On the other hand, I think the notion that our player's behaviors in public does hurt us, ergo the fact that the disc golf = drug use label never quite goes away, is an argument I could clearly defend in the Red Hawk case. Golf Clubs have a structure they expect to be maintained, snobby or not. You might not like that or them, but they don't ask us to act any differently then they ask their own members.