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[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by Suemac

oh, is that what you are trying to do? Legit, real???

Last time I looked we were are varying degrees of real, and I hope we're ALL legit. LOL

Once again, someone has WAY TOO much time on their hands. And thanks for taking of the all caps block!

When people talk about MPO or Advanced, or any division there are certain connotations/expectations that go along with that. Players "playing up" can water down the reality of that. If the discussion is about expected scoring in a specific division then you need to qualify it with the players of those skill ranges.

E.g. look at the "Advanced" division at Snow Farm (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10212): eight players and only three of them rated over 935 and each one of them by a single point....

This does touch on the philosophical question of what makes a person an "Open Player" (or "Advanced" or whatever)? Is it merely by playing in that division, or do you need to have a rating that officially puts you there?
Is the 939-rated guy who pays for a Pro PDGA Membership and keeps entering MPO, but routinely throws 940ish rounds really an "MPO player"?

[mattman]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

When people talk about MPO or Advanced, or any division there are certain connotations/expectations that go along with that. Players "playing up" can water down the reality of that. If the discussion is about expected scoring in a specific division then you need to qualify it with the players of those skill ranges.

E.g. look at the "Advanced" division at Snow Farm (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10212): eight players and only three of them rated over 935 and each one of them by a single point....

This does touch on the philosophical question of what makes a person an "Open Player" (or "Advanced" or whatever)? Is it merely by playing in that division, or do you need to have a rating that officially puts you there?
Is the 939-rated guy who pays for a Pro PDGA Membership and keeps entering MPO, but routinely throws 940ish rounds really an "MPO player"?

your just a rate-ist! There more to people than there rating lol. Some people really could care less where some algorithm putts a status symbol by there name.

[Suemac]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

This does touch on the philosophical question of what makes a person an "Open Player" (or "Advanced" or whatever)? Is it merely by playing in that division, or do you need to have a rating that officially puts you there?
Is the 939-rated guy who pays for a Pro PDGA Membership and keeps entering MPO, but routinely throws 940ish rounds really an "MPO player"?

As far as the PDGA is concerned, if he somehow "cashes" in some "lame" event, he's a pro and they want the extra money. He would be a fool to pay the extra if he never actually cashes.

Your comments seem very one sided, as in your arguement, only a very few women could meet the "940ish" rating. even Val or Des would barely meet your "pro" criteria. So, women can't be considered "pro" cause they have a certain rating?

This is just a game, we're never going to make a living at it, and this is way too deep for a poor under 800 rated Pro Master Player.

PS-when someone plays up, it sure helps out those who will be cashing in that division. And payout is way more important than some rating. Obviously you don't think like a pro yet! j/k

[ChaseTheAce]

Originally Posted by Suemac

This is just a game, we're never going to make a living at it, and this is way too deep for a poor under 800 rated Pro Master Player.

If the issue is of no serious concern to you then why do you always chime in and try to add fuel to the fire. You tell Jubin that he has too much time on his hands, yet you have posted in here equally as much as he has. If he views and plays the game differently than you choose to, why fault him for his contrasting opinion?

Thanks for everyone who gave their take on #13. Who else has an opinion on the subject matter?

[LOU18132]

Chill young man.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by mattman

your just a rate-ist! There more to people than there rating lol. Some people really could care less where some algorithm putts a status symbol by there name.

Thanks for that eloquent comment that added so much to the conversation.

Originally Posted by Suemac

Your comments seem very one sided, as in your arguement, only a very few women could meet the "940ish" rating. even Val or Des would barely meet your "pro" criteria. So, women can't be considered "pro" cause they have a certain rating?

What was it about MPO that you didn't understand?



The point that I was trying to make was that if you're looking at hole designs from the perspective of "is it a good hole for XYZ division?" then you can't just analyze the scores from a random tournament across the XYZ division because players playing up will dilute the accuracy of the data. If you want a good hole for MA1 players you need to look at the scores for all the players in the 935-969 range regardless of what division was entered.

[tarazarr]

Wow....All this discussion while I was out yesterday evening playing the funnest round EVER of MOB RULES doubles!!!!! What a blast, 6 (i think) doubles teams all playing together and having one heck of a great time. The only rating any of us were concerned with was the fun meter rating... It was pretty well pegged

BTW I single handidly parred #13 last night, I think (last time i checked) I'm rated 813 or something silly like that. Ratings don't mean anything to me, I rate my rounds as good day or bad day and it's those good days (like last night) that get me all excited about DG again.

I agree with Suemac...LOL (I know first time for everything right?)
Lets just take a second and thank GOD we have this course... Sue not sure if you've been here yet and if not I hope I'm there your first time to show it to you.

Now the BIG news!!! (aside from my team winning the doubles match last night with a -6 score I think)

I received a sponsorship check last night for hole# ....wait for it.....wait for it..... Hole 13!!!!

And the name on the hole? No O.B.!!!!!

You figure it out.....riddle for the day hhahahahaha

Thank you SO much my friend...

Don't forget....Tomorrow Night...Friday night lights, we're lighting it up.....8pm show time....!!!!!

From the doubles round last night, I think we are going to have a blast!!!!

[mattman]

[QUOTE=ERicJ;14038]Thanks for that eloquent comment that added so much to the conversation.

your welcome, I really liked the pun.

So is the creek ob or not?

[Miller]

Originally Posted by ChaseTheAce

If the issue is of no serious concern to you then why do you always chime in and try to add fuel to the fire. You tell Jubin that he has too much time on his hands, yet you have posted in here equally as much as he has. If he views and plays the game differently than you choose to, why fault him for his contrasting opinion?

Thanks for everyone who gave their take on #13. Who else has an opinion on the subject matter?

Agreed. Sorry Lou, even youngsters can speak the truth...

That being said, I too think it's an ok hole, but I understand why it's there (as a connector) and it does it's job well. And since I can't drive that far it's a challenging hole for me too. But I'll take my lumps and go from there.

[tarazarr]

my take on it is this... when ones ego considers parring a hole a failure, the course is probably too easy and out of date. Sure some holes should be birdiable but when you must be able to birdie everything or it's a bad hole??? Well you've spent too much time at Moffit.

I love holes 2 and 13 because they are a real challenge to par, and a par feels as good as a birdie does on other holes if not better because it took 2 really good shots back to back to be set up for the par putt, not just one good drive to be set up for the birdie putt, then that hole has real challenge value.. Maybe if we had made those two holes par 4 then everyones ego would be stroked by throwing a 3 and everyone would have a warm fuzzy, but since that's not the case and since the best you can do is fight like heck for a 3, then i guess we failed and built 2 bad holes....hahah

Pitch and putt may boost your ego... fighting for par and succeeding only half the time??? makes re-play value go way up...

So who sponsored the hole? And by forking out 250.00, has this person paid for the honor of getting to define the O.B. if any? now there's something to talk about...