Suggestions for Birdshot

[Smokin' Joe]

I was talking with someone at PYMWYMI who mentioned the absence of cash minis. I know there is the Saturday morning WW mini, but how about once or twice a month, on a weekend, thrown by Birdshot? Ca$h is King!

[derek]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

I was talking with someone at PYMWYMI who mentioned the absence of cash minis. I know there is the Saturday morning WW mini, but how about once or twice a month, on a weekend, thrown by Birdshot? Ca$h is King!

central mini every sunday morning

[bmugwump]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

I was talking with someone at PYMWYMI who mentioned the absence of cash minis. I know there is the Saturday morning WW mini, but how about once or twice a month, on a weekend, thrown by Birdshot? Ca$h is King!

Joe...check our schedule for this year (and last year...and the year before that!)....we have at least one mini a month, sometimes two....all pay cash! Where have you been?

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by bmugwump

Joe...check our schedule for this year (and last year...and the year before that!)....we have at least one mini a month, sometimes two....all pay cash! Where have you been?

SEE! I knew someone would listen.

[bmugwump]

Hey, that was an easy fix....we've been doing that for three years already!

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by bmugwump

Hey, that was an easy fix....we've been doing that for three years already!

I guess the Farm woke me up. It was just was the Dr ordered.

[DPdiscer]

Hi Throw Innova,

At a C tier, the PDGA allows the TD to take 10% management fee up to $100. Sometimes if we fill, we end up only taking about 5-6%. We also have to cover the $50 PDGA sanctioning fee. That is usually the only expense that the players are covering. We have other expenses (Internet Provider Service, Bank account monthly service charge, course prep, etc.) All these expenses are covered by DGC since they are our main sponsor. We also take out money for course maintenance funds if we have enough entry fee money. If somebody would like to sponsor the management fee and PDGA sanctioning fee that would be $150 that we could put back into the payout. The sponsor would be mentioned at the players meeting, be on the website, and have a sign at a hole. Anybody interested?

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by ChrisMacG

Seeing as the prize pool comes from the entry fees I don't understand what it is you're saying. Please explain further.

Originally Posted by DPdiscer

At a C tier, the PDGA allows the TD to take 10% management fee up to $100. Sometimes if we fill, we end up only taking about 5-6%. We also have to cover the $50 PDGA sanctioning fee. That is usually the only expense that the players are covering. We have other expenses (Internet Provider Service, Bank account monthly service charge, course prep, etc.) All these expenses are covered by DGC since they are our main sponsor. We also take out money for course maintenance funds if we have enough entry fee money.

What Dixon is saying is that other TDs, those that have their own supply of plastic/merchandise for payout, can take the profit and expenses out of the retail markup on the Am payout side of the event.

Simplistic example: say you have AM's pay $1500 in entry fees and your merchandise markup is 100%. Even if you pay out the AMs 100% that's giving them product that cost you $750. That means you have $750 cash left over to cover sanctioning, park rental, ISP, bank account, gas, course supplies, management fee, profit, and whatever else.

Retail markup gives you, the TD, an extra amount of "payout" above and beyond the "entry fees".

At least I think that's what Dixon is saying.

[Throw Innova]

Please understand, I don't expect the TD's to do what they do just out of the goodness of their hearts.

I love DD events. Jeremy makes money off of them. I don't have a problem with that.

I have no problem with Birdshot being compensated for their time and effort. Albeit small given the current status of disc golf.

Eric is right on in trying to help explain what I am saying, Chris.

Am payout goes directly to the person supplying the merchandise. They are selling the merchandise for a markup. Everything they sell has a built in profit. Right now, all of that profit goes to DGC and good for them, they got a great deal.

That leaves Birdshot to cover their expenses on the front end straight from the entry fees. So instead of $100 going into payout only $85 actually makes it there. (I'm just using random numbers to keep it simple, btw.)

[ChrisMacG]

Originally Posted by Throw Innova

Right now, all of that profit goes to DGC and good for them, they got a great deal.

I do want to point out that without DGC's sponsorship of Birdshot we would not be able to do much of what we do. DGC puts a lot of money and effort into Birdshot events, as well as other events. Sure they have a great deal going on payout, but DGC also puts more money into payout at our tourneys than any other entity. And they bring a big selection of discs so we don't have to hear Billy go on about his groove.

You have a great idea Dixon, but I can't see it being realized for Birdshot. Another approach to increasing payout would be for players to help us find specific event sponsors. We'd love to pump hundreds of bucks into the Brooks Final but thus far we've had a hard time finding sponsors.