Suggestions for Birdshot

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by JimG520

[pendantic]Open is MPO. That's truly the only "open" division anyone can play in. All other divisions are protected (age, gender, or amateur).
In PDGA lingo, Open means not-age protected.
MPG, MPM, etc are not open, they are age protected.

FPO is women's Open, but truly it's gender protected.

Correct and agreed. However, given the responses that were given I thought it warranted clarification. I.e. paying full price to play MGM was irrelevant to the question.

[JimG520]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

Correct and agreed. However, given the responses that were given I thought it warranted clarification. I.e. paying full price to play MGM was irrelevant to the question.

Right, which is why I said no.

I'm over 40 and not competitive in open, so there's no way I'd pay full price to play in a division that I don't have a hope of cashing in if it only pays 75% of entry fees after skimming fees.

[bmugwump]

My bad on the poll...I guess my point was why was there a sliding scale for MPO but not one for age protected? But you're right, it does skew the poll a bit. I guess all of this "skimming" has made my mind stop working right, JimG...and where were you getting that 75% number? Doesn't matter...whatever you're trying to do to tarnish our reputation isn't going to work...the players who come to our tournaments know better!

[JimG520]

Originally Posted by bmugwump

My bad on the poll...I guess my point was why was there a sliding scale for MPO but not one for age protected? But you're right, it does skew the poll a bit. I guess all of this "skimming" has made my mind stop working right, JimG...and where were you getting that 75% number? Doesn't matter...whatever you're trying to do to tarnish our reputation isn't going to work...the players who come to our tournaments know better!

Sorry, 85, not 75. Not trying to tarnish anyone's reputation, just stating my opinion on the facts as I understand them. 75 was an honest mistake.

And to answer the first question, I believe the sliding scale for MPO is encourage MPM and Advanced (and MPG and FPO) to play up instead of hiding out in a small division. Doing the same for MPM would defeat the original purpose.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by JimG520

I believe the sliding scale for MPO is encourage MPM and Advanced (and MPG and FPO) to play up instead of hiding out in a small division. Doing the same for MPM would defeat the original purpose.

Correct, that was one of the goals.

[Throw Innova]

But the timing of the origination of the sliding scale is important to this discussion. When it began, we were only having 4-6 playing open, with good enough players hanging out in masters and advanced. The idea was to encourage the move to open. After having played several tournaments in open alot of these guys are comfortable. As Griff has pointed out, the group of players willing to play open has grown substantially.

The sliding scale was useful to solve a temporary problem. The problem is gone, therefore the sliding scale isn't needed anymore.

[JimKelly]

If the HPO III is going to be AM only, wouldn't the name change to HPAM I?

[DPdiscer]

Sliding scale will not be used at the TC Jester tournament. 100% payout also.

[griff]

Originally Posted by JimG520

Right, which is why I said no.

I'm over 40 and not competitive in open, so there's no way I'd pay full price to play in a division that I don't have a hope of cashing in if it only pays 75% of entry fees after skimming fees.

now this is funny

[JimG520]

Originally Posted by DPdiscer

100% payout also.

Before or after fees?