Redesign Before Concrete Tees?

[griff]

Originally Posted by SlammingSheldon

Griff, I would think put them where some actual Birdshot tourney's are going to be played in the upcoming year. Mozola hoho, TC Jester tbn / HFDS Sunday morning minis, whereever texas states is at this year.

Billy, just to make sure you know, I was just throwing out some food for thought. In the end any course that gets an upgrade makes my happy!!!!!!

I get where ur comin from, Sheldon ,, meant no harshness(?) by that, moffit is the most played course in h town tho. And those tees are BAD!

[Suemac]

Birdshot events should have no bearing on this project. Maybe in 2013 Agnes will be back on the schedule.

[griff]

and now back to the redesign .......

[nickster]

1st four images on the HFDS homepage gallery are from Moffitt in better times.

[High_Iron]

No way should the money raised for concrete tees at Moffitt be used for any other purpose. To do so would compromise the integrity of the Houston disc golf community and HFDS. If the money is used for something else, I think future money raising efforts will be more difficult. People will say (or at least think), "Why should I contribute--the disc golf powers-that-be will just take the money and use it somewhere else where I don't play." Don't make suckers out of the contributors.

[High_Iron]

The poll results are interesting, but in itself does not indicate exactly what is meant by "redesign". Redesign could mean anything from (1) modest changes in a few pin or basket placements to (2) complete alteration of the course.



Let's first review what has exactly changed in the course since the elimination of some of the trees by the drought. In the following hole-by-hole analysis, I've used the following point system to indicate how the hole has changed:

• (4 points) Drastic change (about 75% or more of the trees gone crucial to the way the hole is played)
• (3 points) Moderate change (about 50% of the trees gone crucial to the way the hole is played)
• (2 points) Little change (about 25% of the trees gone crucial to the way the hole is played)
• (1 points) No change (10% or less of the trees gone crucial to the way the hole is played)

Here is my assessment on how much each hole has changed:

#1 - 1 - No change
#2 - 1 - No change
#3 - 2 - Little change
#4 - 4 - Drastic change
#5 - 2 - Little change
#6 - 3 - Moderate change
#7 - 3 - Moderate change
#8 - 1 - No change
#9 - 1 - No change
#10 - 3 - Moderate change
#11 - 1 - No change
#12 - 1 - No change
#13 - 2 - Little change
#14 - 1 - No change
#15 - 2 - Little change
#16 - 1 - No change
#17 - 3 - Moderate change
#18 - 1 - No change

You may quibble with me on a few holes, but the above is a good ballpark assessment. Only one hole has been drastically changed: #4, where almost all of the trees affecting the shot have been removed. Half the holes have not really been changed at all, and another nearly 25% of the holes have only endured a little change.

An average of the change numbers is 1.83. This means that the average change on the course's holes overall is less than a "Little change".
If the course has only been changed less than a little, that hardly warrants a complete redesign.



I think it follows that the course should not have a drastic redesign. But I think just about everybody would be in favor of some kind of redesign. I think the redesign reasons probably cover most or all of the following:

• Concrete tee boxes going in--need to get the design right before it becomes "set in concrete".
• Better usage of space available (including the new land available).
• Trees gone on some holes.
• Course is no longer "state of the art".

All things considered, I think most people would be amenable to one of the following sets of changes being made, and I would hope these would be considered a compromise that most disc golfers could agree to:

• Moderate redesign - Complete redesign of holes #3 through #8 (possibly including #1 and #2 and/or #9 and #10, plus the addition of 2 or 3 new holes on the newly available property in the northwest part of the park. This redesign would basically remove 2 holes from the #3 through #8, thereby lengthening holes on the front part of the course and removing congestion issues (such as where #7 long tees off over the #9 basket for some players), but keeping the overall number at about 18 holes.
• Tweaking of the design - No drastic redesigns of any holes, but moderate changes such as repositioning of some tees and/or boxes (pushing back #4 regular tee, etc.). Two new holes (possibly 3) would be added in the new land in the northwest area of the park thereby increasing the number of holes to 20 or 21.

As I've said before, I think we need to keep a balanced set of courses in the Houston area. Most recent 18-hole courses added or changed have been much more technical in nature. Let's don't ruin Moffitt for the average and beginning players to try and change it to attract the above- average players, who probably will still play elsewhere most of the time even after the changes. Let's also remember that a lot of the people who play Moffitt will not have any input into this issue, as they are not a member of HFDS. We should still try to take their desires into account.

There is obviously a wide range in the amount of change that various people want done to the park, so let's compromise, in the best American traditions, to get this done.

[derek]

Moffitt is getting closer to having concrete pads as all the local groups have now given their letters of approval. Now its in the hands of HPARD to give final approval and allow us to either install the pads ourselves using volunteer efforts, or pay an outside contractor to do the work under our supervision.

My latest thoughts on redesign, based on conversations with local players and walk-throughs, is that a few slight changes are best, along with a replanting effort which Trees for Houston has agreed to help us with once MacGregor is in better shape.

[nomad]

Originally Posted by derek

Moffitt is getting closer to having concrete pads as all the local groups have now given their letters of approval. Now its in the hands of HPARD to give final approval and allow us to either install the pads ourselves using volunteer efforts, or pay an outside contractor to do the work under our supervision.

My latest thoughts on redesign, based on conversations with local players and walk-throughs, is that a few slight changes are best, along with a replanting effort which Trees for Houston has agreed to help us with once MacGregor is in better shape.

Am I correct that the only changes are 17 and 18?

[derek]

Originally Posted by nomad

Am I correct that the only changes are 17 and 18?

Yes, maybe a slight change to a tee or basket here and there, but 17 and 18 are the only significant changes

[hfds001]

Like the new finish. Like that there will be new trees planted. Worry about the erosion of the original target areas due to the years of continued traffic. Perhaps some consideration for alternate pin placements? Nothing elaborate, just slight movements to allow for recovery of long used original pin placements and to add some variety to one of the most heavily used dg courses. Disc Golf Consultants, LLC would be willing to donate the new sleeves, work with area players to determine new placements and volunteer labor to help get them installed. After all, Agnes Moffitt (aka Springwoods Park) was the catalyst course responsible for the very large percentage of the Houston area disc golf playing population today.