Redesign Before Concrete Tees?

[derek]

Part of the changes at Moffitt include a walking trail around the basketball court and pool. The trail conflicts with current 18, so it gives us even more reason to adjust 17 and 18.

The trail is a request by residents in the area and I think the best solution is for us to work around it since they did give us their support with the concrete tee project.

Here's a diagram that shows the walking trail

[bettercounsel]

Originally Posted by derek

The trail is a request by residents in the area and I think the best solution is for us to work around it since they did give us their support with the concrete tee project.

The local residents also supported us when there was an attempt to bring soccer fields and replace the disc golf course.

[ChingLizard]

Originally Posted by derek

Part of the changes at Moffitt include a walking trail around the basketball court and pool. The trail conflicts with current 18, so it gives us even more reason to adjust 17 and 18.

The trail is a request by residents in the area and I think the best solution is for us to work around it since they did give us their support with the concrete tee project.

Here's a diagram that shows the walking trail

Derek, I don't see a confict here. The proposed walking trail would border one side of the #18 fairway, but the route you have drawn on the map is not the route most people play. Most folks drill right up the middle, straight toward the basket. Having the path on the far left side only creates a border for the fairway - it doesn't create any conflict. Conflict is created when you install a tee box where the fairway crosses an existing path or sidewalk such as at TC Jester on a couple of the Blue tees.

Here is the other difference - at TC Jester the paths were already in place and in use. In the case of the Moffitt plan, there isn't any path already there, it has been proposed, the disc golf course IS there.

The other aspect of the design you've proposed here is that when a player completes playing #18, it leaves them 3 times farther away from #1 than the existing basket location. Most players at Moffitt play multiple rounds so I would imagine that it becomes more inconvenient to them at that point too.

This was "pitched" at a club meeting earlier this and shot down. Why is it being brought up again/still???

Larry

[bettercounsel]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

This was "pitched" at a club meeting earlier this and shot down. Why is it being brought up again/still???

Larry

There was not a vote nor a rejection, merely a discussion. It was discussed, and not rejected. The discussion was that we would have a poll and obtain input from disc golfers generally and also seek to have temp. holes set up.

Other issues raised were that the current flow from #16 to #17 is awkward, the flow from #18 to #1 crosses two fairways and the oncoming walking path may necessitate the changes. Also, we discussed how the ability to incorporate additional land into the scope of the course would allow more elbow room later if the city makes additional changes to the park which impacted the course.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

Derek, I don't see a confict here. The proposed walking trail would border one side of the #18 fairway, but the route you have drawn on the map is not the route most people play. Most folks drill right up the middle, straight toward the basket.

...and fade left, right into the path.

Players with the arm for it throw the anny over the trees

... and some of them will fade out into the path.

... and one or two of them will end up in the pool.

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

Having the path on the far left side only creates a border for the fairway - it doesn't create any conflict.

Assuming the path actually gets used, having a fairway bordered by a walking path is just asking for long waits, aka Mozola.

[ChingLizard]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

...and fade left, right into the path.

Players with the arm for it throw the anny over the trees

... and some of them will fade out into the path.

... and one or two of them will end up in the pool.


Assuming the path actually gets used, having a fairway bordered by a walking path is just asking for long waits, aka Mozola.

Players that like to play out that way right now, do so because it is wide open. Put an OB line there, and the risk goes up so most players won't take that risk.

I think that walking paths are okay to use as borders/OB lines. Since that proposed walking trail isn't installed yet, it can be moved on paper a lot easier than we can transplant a few holes on an existing DG course.

I've been in the pool with a roller before...an errant throw is an entirely different matter.

And the return path from #18 to #1 crosses only 1 fairway if you walk around the side furthest from the pool...it crosses #9 Alt. It walks behind #9 Reg. unless someone is being really inconsiderate and walking across someone's tee box while they're in it. It's been my experience that most players seem to enjoy watching another card throw their drives.

The proposed design changes, athough not formally voted on, was generally agreed that they were not a good idea. I think most of us had the impression that it wasn't necessary to conduct a vote...only one person seemed to be advocating the proposed design changes on behalf of someone else.

It was stated that there seemed to be some kind of majority consensus that "a" redesign was being argued for as represented by the informal poll on this thread. I just checked, and it shows that 13 were in favor of, and 10 were against. Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't represent an overwhelming majority to me...it seems more like a 55-45 split on it to me.

While I can see the point of view of making a "land-grab" for the additional space given how often HPARD has taken away from one of our existing facilities, it doesn't seem necessary here. Make it for Mozola where we've lost so much.

Larry

[derek]

I never said the path was going to be unsafe or that this path is even the main reason to make the change. I just wanted to make everyone aware that the trail is coming so maybe that factors into your opinion or maybe it doesn't. If it helps, just forget about the path, then look at the pro's and con's.

[hfds001]

The redesign of 17 and 18 make good sense. With a walking trail being added the redesign of 17 and 18 make even more sense. The trail is also relatively compact and it's circular. It will be more heavily trafficked than Jester and like ERic said, will set up 'waits' to complete the hole, not to mention the high percentage of fades that head in that direction...

That's our 2 cents...

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

Players that like to play out that way right now, do so because it is wide open. Put an OB line there, and the risk goes up so most players won't take that risk.

Playing the proposed walking trail as OB for tournaments might work out okay, players would respect the line.

However for casual play at that course I'm highly doubtful that most players would even know, much less care, that ending up on the wrong side of a walking trail is supposed to cost them a stroke.

[griff]

i would throw a hyzer flip anny skip off the trail from the long tee