Modify #17 and #18 Due to Path Conflict?

[bettercounsel]

As president of HFDS, I am conducting a poll to get input about forthcoming walking path at Moffitt and a possible modification of holes #17 and #18 to prevent conflict with hole #18 and the walking path.

A modification of holes #17 and #18 will be allowed by the City if that is what we want to do.

Here is the link to the diagram showing the walking path and also the proposed modification to prevent conflict with the path:
http://www.hfds.org/vbull/showthread.php?t=1084

We may be able to set up the new holes with temp. baskets for a day and make arrangements for people to come play and express their opinion. I am looking into it and will let you know if and when such temp. baskets may be set up.

[High_Iron]

I agree that current holes #17 and #18 need to be modified to avoid conflict with the path. Anybody who has ever played at Nottingham and to a lesser extent McGregor knows how disrupting jogging paths can be to a round of disc golf.

I do have an issue with the proposed new #18, as it hinders the player-friendliness of the course. Both McDade and TC Jester have long walks between certain holes, and that should be avoided if possible. Finishing up on the new #18 puts you a long way from #1, and for league players, you are a long way from trying to find the tournament director to turn in your card.

I have a suggestion, and I don't know if it would be approved by the Parks department, because it involves putting the new #18 in between the current #4 and #5, and reconfiguring #4. Here's my suggestion (with the new #18 numbered as #4B). (Please see the attachment for hole diagrams. I have crossed out certain holes with turquoise, and drawn in the new configurations in green.)

1. Can #18.
2. Optionally alter #17 to make it longer and end a little closer to the middle of the rest of the course utilizing the current long and regular tees.
3. Put in a new regular and long tees for #4 behind and to the right of where the current regular tee is. The new #4 would play as a right handed hyzer to the back left corner of the park where the current long #4 tee is located.
4. From the position of the current long #4 tee, the new #4B tee would be straight down the left row of trees a ways, so that the new regular #4B tee shot would be about the same distance as the current #4 regular tee shot. The new #4B long tee would be back and to the right of the new #4B regular tee, and would be about the same length shot as the current long #4 tee.

The hole numbers, of course, would be shifted, thus making #4B be #5, etc.

This is simply an effort to keep Moffitt a player-friendly course, and I do not mean to step on anybody's toes. I also apologize if I have not followed proper protocol in suggesting this alteration.

If my proposal is not deemed advantageous or the Parks department won't approve it, I would certainly be in favor of the proposal for the #17 and #18 holes that is already on the table.

[derek]

Originally Posted by High_Iron

I agree that current holes #17 and #18 need to be modified to avoid conflict with the path. Anybody who has ever played at Nottingham and to a lesser extent McGregor knows how disrupting jogging paths can be to a round of disc golf.

I dont see 18 on your map, would current 17 be your 18? It seems like that would finish even further than the other 2 options.

I like your idea for 4 and I have experimented with many configurations myself, including pulling everything out and rethinking the site, but there was not much improvement.

We have to keep in mind that a dog park may be possible and it could be to our advantage to have a presence in as much of the park as we can.

[High_Iron]

Originally Posted by derek

I dont see 18 on your map, would current 17 be your 18? It seems like that would finish even further than the other 2 options.

Yes--that's correct. Basically, #18 would be removed, and #17 altered to throw from the current tees to a basket a little further east of the current #18 tee. A new hole (designated as #4B) would be inserted between #4 and #5, and #4 would be altered to play to the back corner where the current #4 long tee is. The holes would be renumbered from #4B onward so that #17 becomes the new #18.

If a dog park is ever included, it could go where the new #18 would have been placed in the earlier redesign of #17/#18.

As I stated in my previous reply, I'm only suggesting a change that keeps the course more homogeneous with no long walks. If my suggestion is deemed unsuitable for whatever reason, I have no other qualms against supporting the course change in #17 and #18 that is on the table. Other than the long walk from #18, I like the new #17 and #18 as redesigned.

[bettercounsel]

Below is the paste from Facebook poll from the HFDS FB page:

After reviewing the image of the walking trail that is coming to Agnes Moffitt would you support the modification of holes #17 and #18 shown below to prevent the conflict with the walking trail?
(6 yes, 4* I do not see a conflict and it puts players 3 times away from #1 tee box, 2* I do not see a conflict, and 2 I see a conflict but do not like the proposed changes) (*John and Larry voted twice).
https://www.facebook.com/groups/138814636132262/?ref=ts

[Sportsministryguy]

After playing the course at the tournament last month...I suggest taking a step back and consider a total redesign. With the trees gone and more this could be an opportunity. Just my two cents. :-)

[nomad]

Originally Posted by Sportsministryguy

After playing the course at the tournament last month...I suggest taking a step back and consider a total redesign. With the trees gone and more this could be an opportunity. Just my two cents. :-)

It was suggested earlier, but some folks just about had a coronary. They even had a poll and everything. The space is quality...just needs a little management. 17 and 18, I believe, are consolation to the ones who want some change before they lay concrete. Think long term here people. Moffit could be a destination course if re-designed properly.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by nomad

Think long term here people. Moffit could be a destination course if re-designed properly.

Moffitt... a destination course...? Maybe if you put in a couple large hills, a decent sized pond, actual restrooms, gave it 15 years to grow some replacement trees, and shoo-ed away all the rats that have a conniption at the mention of changing anything.

Moffitt is a heavily trafficked, beginner friendly course, with essentially no chance of losing a disc. And it seems like most people want to keep it that way.

[High_Iron]

Maybe, in order to make Moffitt a less friendly course, and bring it up to par with the other "quality" courses around town, players could be required to place a disc that they played with in the trash after playing an Agnes round. Nothing ruins a round more than getting back in the car with all the discs you arrived with.