the good ol days

[ChrisMacG]

Originally Posted by leafylinks

You read one line on their website and think you've figured it out. Dont be gullible.

No, I've actually followed the development of the skatepark since well before it was open. Ironic that you read a couple of posts from me and think you've figured it out, isn't it?

Originally Posted by leafylinks

The skatepark idea and money was from one source, Joe Jamail. PUSH was just the middleman who he used to get it installed. Joe Jamail's role is of a front man for this group of anonymous theater crowd donors that don't endorse skating at all but simply want the problem moved away from the downtown opera house. And if this is at the expensve of disc golf, nobody cared.

Joe Jamail's donation of 1.5 million arrived about two weeks before the fund raising deadline for the park (cite). The park probably wouldn't have happened without his effort, but he was hardly behind it. There is no mention of Joe Jamail's sponsorship or donations to of any Houston area theater that I could find online (and theaters love to publicly thank their sponsors). I did find out about him giving $25K for sea turtles and $100 million to UT Austin. Seems like a good guy, but he is a lawyer.

If you are going to make statements about Jamail being a front for a "group of anonymous theater crowd donors" please cite your sources so we can separate fact from fiction.

Originally Posted by leafylinks

It is really offensive to all the people in HFDS and the disc golf community who fight to get what little land we have for disc golf and people like you come out of nowhere and try to say that we should just let these groups walk all over us.

People like me huh? Do you mean people like me who call up city parks departments asking them what they plan to do about disc golf courses lost to softball fields? Or maybe you mean people like me who help organize fund raising for a new 18 hole course on Clear Lake? Or maybe you're talking about people who try to identify area parks for future disc golf courses? You've got me pegged all wrong.

The changes to the Mozola to accommodate the skatepark minimally affected the course. Hole 1 was removed and the old hole 9 was split into two holes. Sure it is a shame that the course had to be changed, but the park is a public park and we share it with joggers, bikers, families, bums and now skate boarders.

Originally Posted by leafylinks

If everyone had your attitude, there wouldn't be any courses left because trust me, they are ready to come in and remove disc golf at any chance they get. Why dont you go ahead and throw the rest of your discs in the bayou and just go hang out at the skatepark and do us all a favor.

If every disc golfer had the attitude you've exhibited here I imagine it would be even harder to get land for courses. No city parks board would give space to people besot by paranoia (They are ready to come in and remove disc golf are they?) who's first reaction to an alternate point of view is to launch into ad hominem attacks.

Fortunately most disc golfers I've met are friendlier folk, and the skatepark has never caused me any concern during a round out at Mazola.

[derek]

Originally Posted by ChrisMacG

No, I've actually followed the development of the skatepark since well before it was open. Ironic that you read a couple of posts from me and think you've figured it out, isn't it?



Joe Jamail's donation of 1.5 million arrived about two weeks before the fund raising deadline for the park (cite). The park probably wouldn't have happened without his effort, but he was hardly behind it. There is no mention of Joe Jamail's sponsorship or donations to of any Houston area theater that I could find online (and theaters love to publicly thank their sponsors). I did find out about him giving $25K for sea turtles and $100 million to UT Austin. Seems like a good guy, but he is a lawyer.

If you are going to make statements about Jamail being a front for a "group of anonymous theater crowd donors" please cite your sources so we can separate fact from fiction.



People like me huh? Do you mean people like me who call up city parks departments asking them what they plan to do about disc golf courses lost to softball fields? Or maybe you mean people like me who help organize fund raising for a new 18 hole course on Clear Lake? Or maybe you're talking about people who try to identify area parks for future disc golf courses? You've got me pegged all wrong.

The changes to the Mazola to accommodate the skatepark minimally affected the course. Hole 1 was removed and the old hole 9 was split into two holes. Sure it is a shame that the course had to be changed, but the park is a public park and we share it with joggers, bikers, families, bums and now skate boarders.



If every disc golfer had the attitude you've exhibited here I imagine it would be even harder to get land for courses. No city parks board would give space to people besot by paranoia (They are ready to come in and remove disc golf are they?) who's first reaction to an alternate point of view is to launch into ad hominem attacks.

Fortunately most disc golfers I've met are friendlier folk, and the skatepark has never caused me any concern during a round out at Mazola.

The skatepark was endorsed by Joe Jamail long before they broke ground, they agreed to name it after him. You seriously think we are supposed to believe that he barely supported it and they just decided to put his name on it for no reason?

This is like a flashback of Patrick Paratore all over again.

I am not sure why you are doing whatever you say you did for disc golf. If you think it is ok for other groups to come in and remove parts of disc golf courses for their own use, then you do not support the sport.

I have read more than a couple of posts from you so theres nothing to figure out. Good luck with whatever youre doing, for whatever reason, no one is quite sure.

[ChrisMacG]

Originally Posted by leafylinks

The skatepark was endorsed by Joe Jamail long before they broke ground, they agreed to name it after him. You seriously think we are supposed to believe that he barely supported it and they just decided to put his name on it for no reason?

I suspect he gave the money because he is a philanthropist (and for tax purposes). The park is named for him because he gave $1.5 million towards it (naming rights are frequently offered to encourage donations). That seems way more plausible than the idea that he is acting as a front for a group of skate board hating anonymous theater patrons with a side agenda of anti-disc golf parks.

Originally Posted by leafylinks

I am not sure why you are doing whatever you say you did for disc golf. If you think it is ok for other groups to come in and remove parts of disc golf courses for their own use, then you do not support the sport.

Oh boy, I love being the subject of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Is this the best argument that you can come up with?

I do what I do for disc golf because I enjoy the sport and want to see it grow.

[derek]

Originally Posted by ChrisMacG

I suspect he gave the money because he is a philanthropist (and for tax purposes). The park is named for him because he gave $1.5 million towards it (naming rights are frequently offered to encourage donations). That seems way more plausible than the idea that he is acting as a front for a group of skate board hating anonymous theater patrons with a side agenda of anti-disc golf parks.


Oh boy, I love being the subject of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Is this the best argument that you can come up with?

I do what I do for disc golf because I enjoy the sport and want to see it grow.

No one that cares about the sport would be ok with a skatepark being installed right in the middle of a memorialized disc golf course, or any course. I am not trying to argue, its just a fact.

[mattman]

Originally Posted by leafylinks

No one that cares about the sport would be ok with a skatepark being installed right in the middle of a memorialized disc golf course, or any course. I am not trying to argue, its just a fact.

Jim mozola skate park would have taken the sting out a bit. With all that donation money think of the discgolf course we would have. Maybe daddy warbucks can fund a discgolf course in Jim's honor since he put his skate park right dab in the middle. Now if there can be more land used and re-memorialized (that is pretty wrong to take back what was given as memorial) along the bayou would be a win win, but I see how this skate park upset disc golfers. I was hoping there would at least be parking and restrooms added to the complex. There was plenty of space to build the skate park elsewhere along the bayou for that matter.

[ChingLizard]

First of all - The Mozola course is a person's name...not a cooking oil. Please have the respect for Jim to spell his name correctly...if you're having trouble remembering the proper spelling of it, then please simply look at the topic/thread name. It is disrespectful to continuously misspell his name.

His name was Jim Mozola. He was one of the original founders of HFDS and the sport of disc golf here in Houston.

When he died of brain cancer in the early 90's the club along with probably a huge number of private donations raised enough money to pay to have the downtown disc golf course commemorated to Jim's name. It was a big deal. The mayor attended the dedication ceremony.

It doesn't seem to get too much more "official" than that.

The skate park was plopped right in the middle of hole #1. It completed removed hole #1, shortened #2 a tad (but worse is coming) forced reconfiguration of #7, #8 and #9. I would also say that the skatepark has negatively impacted the pre-existing disc golf course there.

The location of the skate park was decided on without consultation with the DG community. We were notified, but we weren't asked or consulted.

[ChrisMacG]

Originally Posted by leafylinks

No one that cares about the sport would be ok with a skatepark being installed right in the middle of a memorialized disc golf course, or any course. I am not trying to argue, its just a fact.

This is an opinion, not a fact.

I would be against anyone installing a skatepark in the middle of a disc golf course, memorialized or not. Let me know if you hear of any disc golf courses that have a skate park in the middle of them.

Mozola doesn't have a skatepark in the middle of it. Mozola has a skatepark next to it.

[bmugwump]

Derek...chill, dude! Is Chris not allowed to have an opinion?

[ChrisMacG]

Originally Posted by Larry at Work

First of all - The Mozola course is a person's name...not a cooking oil. Please have the respect for Jim to spell his name correctly...

Sorry - that's my spell checker. I've edited my posts to fix this. Thanks for pointing out my error.

Originally Posted by Larry at Work

The location of the skate park was decided on without consultation with the DG community. We were notified, but we weren't asked or consulted.

That is unfortunate. Has the Parks Board offered any sort of help with the course? I seem to remember Richard was working on expanding the course. Any progress there?

[bmugwump]

The most unfortunate thing about the skatepark is the grafitti that started popping up around the park & across the street at the lofts...drawn, I am sure, by non-discgolf-players (i.e., skaters!). Chuck & I walked with Richard a couple of months ago back around to where we had extra holes set up for last year's Birdshot tourney....HFDS is talking about putting an extra three holes back thereto make it a 12-hole course for now. There has been talk about an expansion over to the other side of the bayou, but that would be a long time down the road (if at all). Could our sport use a philanthropist? Hail, yes!!! All we need to do is get the right rich people hooked like we are. Ah, if Howard Hughes were still alive...he loved to watch things fly!