New 6-hole Disc Golf Course on West Side

[ChingLizard]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

I guess I disagree with the general concept that we should sweep all the other courses under the rug and only give a forum (literally and figuratively) to the popular courses.

IMO Oak Meadow should absolutely have a forum so that people can discuss why it's closed to the public, what can (or can't) be done to open it to the public, and to pimp DG related events like Nature Fest and Ace Races held there.

The Bridgepoint course might not be getting the love it's gotten so far if it'd been banished to the realm of the "General" vicinity.

I'll reiterate the point that it takes virtually no additional overhead and resources to maintain a sub-forum per course, and it keeps all the forums more organized. I'm not seeing the problem....

If it is a course, and it's open to the general public to play, then by all means.

But Oak Meadow is coming down until it's status changes. What happens if someone reads about the course, gets directions from this website, and sees all the posts about how folks are sneaking out there to play on weekdays. They go out there, get destructive or arrested and then the HOA finds out that he followed instructions posted here on this MB. Who do you think is going to be held liable for it?

But it doesn't deserve a spot here in these forumns like it is just like any other course we've got in town. People can't play there unless they are residents. You want to have discussions about negotiating to be able to play out there, then that is a different topic and would belong under the Club Issues thread. And for the record, that is certainly a topic worthy of discussion, but as for having its own area here under the area courses where we are promoting the playing of disc golf, it doesn't. This is why I'm going to move under an "Other" category.

I'm okay with putting an Oak Meadow thread up on an "Other Courses" to handle some cases like the lost and found stuff there. Special cases like the Ace Race belong under the In Town Tournaments area since it is a one-time shot...same for Birdshot tourneys out there too. The status of that course is CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. We should not be promoting play at it to the general public.

You know Marcus better than I do, so you ask him if his course is open to public play. If it is, then the topic area should stay, but if not, then it should get relegated to the Other Courses area too.

My rationale is that any course listed here ought to be publicly available for play. I think that most folks would assume that any course listed in this directory is one that we are promoting play at. Are we promoting play at Oak Meadow?

And as far as "resources" go, the resource it costs us is screen realestate...put the info people are most likely to want as close to the top as possible. This is why I originally had the courses listed by the general popularity of the course as dictated by: A) size of their HFDS leagues B) the amount of casual play it sees C) how much people like to converse about it.

Why make anyone scroll down a page if they don't have to? Just for the sake of being able to organize it alphabetically? That is what a course directory is for. List them alphabetically there, this is a user forumn and it should be geared toward the topics that people discuss the most. There are five courses listed higher in the area courses discussion area which have 1 or 2 posts in them. Why have the topic up there if nobody plays the course or is too embarassed to post about it publicly?

Once the summer/weeknight leagues are over with, I will go back to spending some time working on the website and message board. I haven't been motivated to do it since the crash of the old website. But once the leagues shut down, then I'll have more time to devote to it.

In the meantime, we are in STRONG need of a course directory. It would be a wonderful thing to have it link to DGCR reviews, and your course maps. Can you put one together?

[LOU18132]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

Also, didn't you know that dressing like a Pro can get your picture in the Chronicle....

The Chronicle has made many mistakes before with Disc Golf. You are not the first to be in their rag with a total wrong story. The only Houston News Paper is just as much of a joke as most of the post on this forum.
Let's get down to the reality of Disc Golf in the Houston area. I happen to agree with Larry, Nine holes or better, why else would anyone coming to town really want to play a 6 hole course. We are over run with little crap courses in the Houston area, get real. Make Houston a Disc Golf Mecca. LMFAO
Not saying your couse is crap J.D. just my opinion. You know me and my opinion. LOL

[Miller]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

If it is a course, and it's open to the general public to play, then by all means.

But Oak Meadow is coming down until it's status changes. What happens if someone reads about the course, gets directions from this website, and sees all the posts about how folks are sneaking out there to play on weekdays. They go out there, get destructive or arrested and then the HOA finds out that he followed instructions posted here on this MB. Who do you think is going to be held liable for it?

But it doesn't deserve a spot here in these forumns like it is just like any other course we've got in town. People can't play there unless they are residents. You want to have discussions about negotiating to be able to play out there, then that is a different topic and would belong under the Club Issues thread. And for the record, that is certainly a topic worthy of discussion, but as for having its own area here under the area courses where we are promoting the playing of disc golf, it doesn't. This is why I'm going to move under an "Other" category.

I'm okay with putting an Oak Meadow thread up on an "Other Courses" to handle some cases like the lost and found stuff there. Special cases like the Ace Race belong under the In Town Tournaments area since it is a one-time shot...same for Birdshot tourneys out there too. The status of that course is CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. We should not be promoting play at it to the general public.

You know Marcus better than I do, so you ask him if his course is open to public play. If it is, then the topic area should stay, but if not, then it should get relegated to the Other Courses area too.

My rationale is that any course listed here ought to be publicly available for play. I think that most folks would assume that any course listed in this directory is one that we are promoting play at. Are we promoting play at Oak Meadow?

And as far as "resources" go, the resource it costs us is screen realestate...put the info people are most likely to want as close to the top as possible. This is why I originally had the courses listed by the general popularity of the course as dictated by: A) size of their HFDS leagues B) the amount of casual play it sees C) how much people like to converse about it.

Why make anyone scroll down a page if they don't have to? Just for the sake of being able to organize it alphabetically? That is what a course directory is for. List them alphabetically there, this is a user forumn and it should be geared toward the topics that people discuss the most. There are five courses listed higher in the area courses discussion area which have 1 or 2 posts in them. Why have the topic up there if nobody plays the course or is too embarassed to post about it publicly?

Once the summer/weeknight leagues are over with, I will go back to spending some time working on the website and message board. I haven't been motivated to do it since the crash of the old website. But once the leagues shut down, then I'll have more time to devote to it.

In the meantime, we are in STRONG need of a course directory. It would be a wonderful thing to have it link to DGCR reviews, and your course maps. Can you put one together?

I'm relatively new here and and not in charge, but I think this line of reasoning doesn't make much sense. Who judges which course is put at the top? Now it's a popularity contest? That's just dumb. You want this website to be easy to read and easy to navigate then list everything in alphabetical order. It's a universal system that everyone understands. If you don't like scrolling down then buy a mouse with a wheel in the middle.

As for the "let's hide courses that don't meet certain criteria" argument, again I don't think it's a good idea. You just make people have to search around more. It makes the site more cumbersome to use, not easier.

Sorry for the rant...

[mattman]

word to logic! It just make take you somewhere.

[nickster]

Don't understand making it harder for people to find any info since there's no information on main site. A course directory would be nice to have (and will take time to produce) but you have the content already sorted here. Why hide it?

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

But Oak Meadow is coming down until it's status changes. What happens if someone reads about the course, gets directions from this website, and sees all the posts about how folks are sneaking out there to play on weekdays. They go out there, get destructive or arrested and then the HOA finds out that he followed instructions posted here on this MB. Who do you think is going to be held liable for it?

I'm no lawyer, but if I had to guess I'd say the someone who went out there and got destructive would be held liable for their actions.

Do you believe that if you posted directions for someone on how to walk out on a bridge, climb over the railing and then let go, essentially "jumping off", that you'd be held liable for everyone who jumped off a bridge?

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

I think that most folks would assume that any course listed in this directory is one that we are promoting play at. Are we promoting play at Oak Meadow?

Not sure where that assumption comes from. I would assume that any course listed on this discussion forum is one we are promoting discussion about.

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

And as far as "resources" go, the resource it costs us is screen realestate...put the info people are most likely to want as close to the top as possible. This is why I originally had the courses listed by the general popularity of the course as dictated by: A) size of their HFDS leagues B) the amount of casual play it sees C) how much people like to converse about it.

Why make anyone scroll down a page if they don't have to? Just for the sake of being able to organize it alphabetically? That is what a course directory is for. List them alphabetically there, this is a user forumn and it should be geared toward the topics that people discuss the most.

Similar to what David said... "Scroll bars... now included for free in almost every internet browser".

While the popularity order may make sense to you, it likely looks disorganized and haphazard to newcomers or even active members who just don't read every post.

IMO, the logical organization of alphabetical order just makes things so much easier to find.

Originally Posted by LOU18132

Let's get down to the reality of Disc Golf in the Houston area. I happen to agree with Larry, Nine holes or better, why else would anyone coming to town really want to play a 6 hole course.

An answer to your question might be: because it's a fantastic friiggin' course. Of course they might never know that if there's no dedicated forum for it.

Another answer to your question might be: because it's right next to their hotel, aunt's house, friend's apartment, etc..


I think this forum would be doing a disservice to the parks and courses you'd relegate to an "Others" area due to decreased exposure. I don't see how that change would fulfill HFDS's mission to "promote the sport of disc golf and other disc sports to the public in general."

Let's see what the users think:
How should things be organized poll

[LOU18132]

Ok I rethunk the situation, list all Houston area courses. Though if you are coming in from out of town blind you would go to the better courses.IMO
If you cannot run a PDGA sanctioned tourney on the course, then it should not be in the PDGA course directory. IMO The private courses should only have contact info not directions. Shawshank should have a warning about the owners and their disregard for players, just money to be made. Go ahead and nail me for that comment, I know better and have seen the reality of the Dufrane Clan, sorry human beings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[derek]

I dont think the problem is main course listings, i think its the multiple threads under each course. Look at this one for example:

http://www.hfds.org/vbull/forumdisplay.php?f=22


All of these postings could have gone under one thread called 'Course Conditions', but now its just a mess because the person made a new thread every single time they wanted to make a post.

3 preset threads under each course would solve it.... course conditions, leagues, tournaments.