Bringa Ya Floata to the Mighty Mozola! 7/12

[Mr. Blue]

I was commenting on your attitude overall towards the event and the people who played in it. Last I saw, tournaments are about put up or shut up. Sure you may have had a 1040 round, but seeing as to how you didn't go yesterday, and we've all heard your reasons, I'd say that 1040 round means Jack as it pertains to yesterday's layout.
Sote deserves all the credit for the way he played yesterday. Like I said before, nobody was catching him yesterday. PERIOD! Yeah, I know, Larry is indeed a rules nazi, but overall he is a class act that puts forth more effort for the betterment of Houston Disc Golf than most do.

[scoot_er]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I was commenting on your attitude overall towards the event and the people who played in it. Last I saw, tournaments are about put up or shut up. Sure you may have had a 1040 round, but seeing as to how you didn't go yesterday, and we've all heard your reasons, I'd say that 1040 round means Jack as it pertains to yesterday's layout.
Sote deserves all the credit for the way he played yesterday. Like I said before, nobody was catching him yesterday. PERIOD! Yeah, I know, Larry is indeed a rules nazi, but overall he is a class act that puts forth more effort for the betterment of Houston Disc Golf than most do.

I don't think I said I shot a 1040 round and FYI it isn't just one but that wasn't even the point. Its hard to say that he was uncatchable as I don't really believe in that kind of stuff. From what I have heard my reasoning for not going was good because I heard the holes weren't very good. Then again maybe I shouldn't be so hard on them since they are trying to target the newer players in the area although none of them have ever used titledisc.

Soete does deserve credit and I don't want you to make it look like I am taking anything away from him because I'm not but unless he won by double digits there is no need for you to bet him against everyone else.

[stfuat17]

You know, I am going to say something that just about everyone I know and have played with has wanted to say. I know that I am not near the quality of player that Matt Hall is, but I do know that I am nowhere near the arrogant and egotistical person that he is. If was as good as he is the last thing I would do is bash what other people have worked so hard to build. Now to the guys at Birdshot, I really enojyed the tournament at Mozola on Saturday. I just want to thank you guys and all of the people who had a hand in the design of the additional holes. And again to Mr. 1040+ for the day, can't wait to see you at Spring Valley in September. Then again, maybe we would all have a lot more fun and better rounds as long as you are not there.

[scoot_er]

Originally Posted by stfuat17

You know, I am going to say something that just about everyone I know and have played with has wanted to say. I know that I am not near the quality of player that Matt Hall is, but I do know that I am nowhere near the arrogant and egotistical person that he is. If was as good as he is the last thing I would do is bash what other people have worked so hard to build. Now to the guys at Birdshot, I really enojyed the tournament at Mozola on Saturday. I just want to thank you guys and all of the people who had a hand in the design of the additional holes. And again to Mr. 1040+ for the day, can't wait to see you at Spring Valley in September. Then again, maybe we would all have a lot more fun and better rounds as long as you are not there.

I still don't get where this 1040 is coming from I used it meaning if he shot better than that for the day I probably wouldn't/couldn't have beaten him but if not do tell me he was unbeatable. I really wouldn't want anyone saying I was unbeatable because that would mean you played perfect which never happens.

Maybe I just need to be a freakin 800 rated player to voice my objections about a course design or something. What I am trying to get across is that if the only way to add nine holes to the course will take away from what is already there it isn't worth doing and in my years of playing it has always been talked about but there was a reason it was never expanded and it is just that.

I'm still going to complain about the way they run their events and there are many others who feel like I do but don't post it. Now before you cut me down for being the A hole who posts mean things that should be kept to myself don't you think if there are many in the area unsatisfied they should look into why and how to bring them into more events?

Mandatory early reg is absurd for a local event trying to attract new players. I wouldn't keep complaining about this but they claim it is so they have payouts ready yet they don't even have the cards ready on time.

They also turned me off to thier events when I ended up not going to Dallas for an event and called them thursday to let them know my plans got wrecked and I wanted to play the event since they were short of making 4 in MPO. That was also after going out to the course to meet Mr Billy but he either never showed or I never saw him the 6 hours I was out there but I still got a " get it to my house within the hour or NO" so I must say I wasn't impressed with the way that was dealed with.

So who are you Mr. Mystery man?

[ChingLizard]

Originally Posted by scoot_er

Maybe I just need to be a freakin 800 rated player to voice my objections about a course design or something.

It is for statements like the above which have earned you the reputation for arrogance Matt. It reads like "just an 800-rated player doesn't count."

Adding nine additional baskets on an existing 9 hole course doesn't take anything away from an existing course...seems like its adding to the course. Pretty simple math concept really...you see if you have nine of something and you add nine more somethings to it, you end up with 18 somethings. 18 is greater than 9.

While we are on the subject of simple things...here is another thing you might want to consider. Mozola gets the highest visibility of ANY disc golf course in town to non-disc golf people. In terms of recruiting potential for adding to the ranks of our sport, it can't be beat by anything in Houston short of installing a course around the jogging trail at Memorial Park!

Geez...you'd think even a self-centered, arrogant, up-and-coming budding (so-called) professional might see the wisdom of growing the ranks of an enthusiastic player-base...if for no other reason than as a potential income source. Ha-ha! In fact, such a person should be doing everything they can to encourage attendance at every event.

But instead, the importance of that persons arrogance seems to outweigh even their own self-centered interests...kind of ironic don't ya think?

[scoot_er]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

It is for statements like the above which have earned you the reputation for arrogance Matt. It reads like "just an 800-rated player doesn't count."

Adding nine additional baskets on an existing 9 hole course doesn't take anything away from an existing course...seems like its adding to the course. Pretty simple math concept really...you see if you have nine of something and you add nine more somethings to it, you end up with 18 somethings. 18 is greater than 9.

While we are on the subject of simple things...here is another thing you might want to consider. Mozola gets the highest visibility of ANY disc golf course in town to non-disc golf people. In terms of recruiting potential for adding to the ranks of our sport, it can't be beat by anything in Houston short of installing a course around the jogging trail at Memorial Park!

Geez...you'd think even a self-centered, arrogant, up-and-coming budding (so-called) professional might see the wisdom of growing the ranks of an enthusiastic player-base...if for no other reason than as a potential income source. Ha-ha! In fact, such a person should be doing everything they can to encourage attendance at every event.

But instead, the importance of that persons arrogance seems to outweigh even their own self-centered interests...kind of ironic don't ya think?

Larry you are too easy. I know that you seem to share a mentality of "more is better" but that isn't really the case. You see Houston has MORE courses than any other city but when compared to Raliegh, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, Austin, Dallas, KC, STL, Ann Arbor, Kalamazoo, and many others our scene isn't as "kickin".

The reason for this is because of the nearly 30 courses we have only 5-6 are good enough to have a tournament and only 3 would be B-tier quality. Now these other places percentages are probably 75% tournament quality and 50% B-tier. Those places also usually have a well qualified designer or at least a few people who can come together to put some good holes in.

So anyway more isn't always better as opposed to the local rule.

Also your right that Mozola is a high traffic area which would bring our sport into the lives of many other people but I'm afraid that one day they will get a face full of disc and a lawsuit with the city and our course will go BYE BYE.


Sorry Larry but you are wrong on this one.

[DGJesús]

I got out of bed to jump on this bandwagon

The little darlin' just brings out the parent in you doesn't he?

But c'mon, who here is surprised? What teen-ager doesn't think he knows EVERYTHING? What kid doesn't think his 17, 18, or 19 long years on this planet hasn't taught him more than our 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 combined years? Although I think it takes some cojones to try to explain the game to guys that have been playing before you were even born. But what kid doesn't think that we're all behind the times and they know better?

Here's my personal concern. I watched a 4 year old break a world record yesterday. Fortunately that little boy has his Dad to respect and idolize and teach him the sport. Okay, 2 out of 3 ain't bad Matt, just work with me here. Pull a couple of nose hairs and drop a few tears, it'll help the aura of my speech here.

I wish I had known about disc golf a long time ago. A lot of kids now don't have someone to teach them because there aren't any adults in their lives playing the sport. I'm still amazed when I mention disc golf at how many people still respond with "what golf?" or "Is the gun necessary?" And kids find it easier to relate to kids their own age so Matt is in a very unique position to be blessed with his talent at such a young age. It could benefit the sport of disc golf tremendously if players start getting into the game at a younger age. But he's also in a position to hurt the sport. If one player, young OR old, decides to miss one tournament because of something a professional disc golfer said, that's a shame. But when that professional disc golfer continues the same behavior with no regard to the influence he carries, that's a disgrace.

He's just a kid; an incredibly gifted kid. We were all the same just too high to remember Now let's all go to bed.

Live well and prosper....wait, that was Spock.

"Parted waters are not OB"
DG Jesús

[DGJesús]

And that deal about "more not always being better?" Ditto on your posts.

[derek]

We should not cater to the lowest common denominator of the discgolf world. I would rather take my advice on course design and layout from a 1000+ rated player than a 800 rated player. It just makes sense to me to build the best and most challenging courses possible. If you get people used to playing easy sub-standard courses, youre not doing them any favor and no one is going to be a great player. No one is going to be discouraged because they are a beginniner and the holes are too long for them to birdie at first, its just going to make anyone who is worth it strive to be better.
I agree with Matt H, this city has an abunance of small pointless courses, and lack of great ones. I think Mozola is worth the effort to expand, its such a cool peice of property, just needs a proper redesign.

[TracyP)]

I think all the negativity on this post would be enough to run the newbies away! With all the sarcasm, I'm ashamed that I gave people interested in getting to know the game this website. No offense to Larry or Eric and I'm glad the site is back up and running but to get new people in and making them feel welcome, this has to stop IMO.