Bringa Ya Floata to the Mighty Mozola! 7/12

[derek]

I don't agree, these posts are no downers. Based on the views here some people think that new players should stay at the level of a new player forever, so to me that is worth arguing against because discgolf does not need to bend over for the player who is so easily intimidated.

[tarazarr]

what I meant by the post being a downer, is all the negativity here, doesn't exactly make you want to line up join in on the next tournament or get together, but I guess there's a scooter on every board..

I got an idea, have the parks department put the new nine holes up in a public park in Tomball, I promise I won't complain about it...heck I don't even care where they place them, I'll just say thank you

[ChingLizard]

ERic,

I think you have your measurement methods correct.

When I stand in a tee box and see a distance, I want to know how far away from the pin I am...not the distance someone else might fly in whatever direction they chose to get there by...

By the alternate method proposed - you would have to anticipate that all throwers will follow the same path/route to get to the basket. This is rarely true. Some folks go up over the top, some folks roll, and the paths everyone takes is different.

The only consistent way to measure distance on a hole is to say when you are standing here (in the tee box) you are 278 feet from the pin.

[Mr. Blue]

Tarrazar,
Don't let these little things discourage you. 95% of the players you will meet and hang with at tournaments ANYWHERE are in fact VERY friendly and knowledgable. To play with them will teach you a lot, and give you an even bigger group of friends to play with on Sundays.
I know that there has been some sentiment of negative vibe that some are reading here. I however believe that it the chefs that make the best food have taken the best and left the worst from their exposures to other styles and methods than their own. These kinds of discussions should lend themselves to BETTER disc golf throughout Houston.
I have hung around pros, played with pros, and love doing so no matter where I am playing. There are some pros who realize they are good and do their part to mentor others around them. These are the pros to gravitate to as they are the "status" players our sport should see more of and will forward the sport in the future. My son LOVES to play with Dixon. Here is a pro who "gets it". Kind, constructive on his criticism, and one of the least judgemental people you will ever meet. Eric Sote, another great open player, has taught me volumes on putting, and my son has learned volumes from him as well. Some people don't "get it", and you will find them in any place, not just here. The real shame is that we take the bait too often. (I for one am such a culprit) I've been a bit silent since reading Tracy's post voicing this concern. But please do not base your further exposure to the disc golf community on the Matt Halls of the sport. They are a minority, thank goodness, and youth is commonly chocked full of piss and vinegar. There is a lot to learn from non 1000 rated players. Their/my views are as important as the 1000+ players. I love the quote from the guy earlier here who mentioned the small % of players who are 1000+. Stick around Tarrazar, it's better than what we have all put forth.

[scoot_er]

Originally Posted by ChingLizard

ERic,

I think you have your measurement methods correct.

When I stand in a tee box and see a distance, I want to know how far away from the pin I am...not the distance someone else might fly in whatever direction they chose to get there by...

By the alternate method proposed - you would have to anticipate that all throwers will follow the same path/route to get to the basket. This is rarely true. Some folks go up over the top, some folks roll, and the paths everyone takes is different.

The only consistent way to measure distance on a hole is to say when you are standing here (in the tee box) you are 278 feet from the pin.

What about #10 at SV? For those going the "normal" route is the hole 280ft? How about hole #12, do you just measure through 13's fairway?

I will say that 90% of the holes I see like this are FAR from Houston but Measuring straight to the besket doesn't work if you have to follow a totally different line. There were many holes at Blackhawk like this with the most memorable one being the "Question Mark Hole" which went straight, turned right and then swept back left to the basket. The basket was probably 450ft away but it was listed as 615ft on the sign.


On 99% of holes there is nothing wrong with the way you do it but holes with a "defined" tunnel that turns through the woods should not be measured straight line and you need to realize that in some cases you have to do it differently.

Its like saying that since a course is listed as 5000ft you will be walking 5000ft during a round leaving out the distance you have to walk on each hole from the basket to the tee.

When playing the 8000ft Wilmont you are really walking more like 3 miles. Just the same playing a hole with a defined dogleg in that the distance it takes to get to the hole is actually greater than the "as the crow flies" distance.



Just like the distances on a road, there aren't point A to B they are the distance you travel along the road. Surveyors do the same thing measuring using different points along the way not just point A to B.



How long is hole #14 on the Wilmont Eric? I know from the long tee used at states it is a 1000ft hole but only 500ft from the basket. How long is it from the short "Normal" tee? What was your measurement?

[scoot_er]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Tarrazar,
Don't let these little things discourage you. 95% of the players you will meet and hang with at tournaments ANYWHERE are in fact VERY friendly and knowledgable. To play with them will teach you a lot, and give you an even bigger group of friends to play with on Sundays.
I know that there has been some sentiment of negative vibe that some are reading here. I however believe that it the chefs that make the best food have taken the best and left the worst from their exposures to other styles and methods than their own. These kinds of discussions should lend themselves to BETTER disc golf throughout Houston.
I have hung around pros, played with pros, and love doing so no matter where I am playing. There are some pros who realize they are good and do their part to mentor others around them. These are the pros to gravitate to as they are the "status" players our sport should see more of and will forward the sport in the future. My son LOVES to play with Dixon. Here is a pro who "gets it". Kind, constructive on his criticism, and one of the least judgemental people you will ever meet. Eric Sote, another great open player, has taught me volumes on putting, and my son has learned volumes from him as well. Some people don't "get it", and you will find them in any place, not just here. The real shame is that we take the bait too often. (I for one am such a culprit) I've been a bit silent since reading Tracy's post voicing this concern. But please do not base your further exposure to the disc golf community on the Matt Halls of the sport. They are a minority, thank goodness, and youth is commonly chocked full of piss and vinegar. There is a lot to learn from non 1000 rated players. Their/my views are as important as the 1000+ players. I love the quote from the guy earlier here who mentioned the small % of players who are 1000+. Stick around Tarrazar, it's better than what we have all put forth.

I love how you bash me so bad when you have never been on my card yet believe I am horrible to play with. You must not also know how much I do to help people when it comes to improving their game but then again that is because you have never played with me. You also don't know how many discs I have given to kids and other new players over the years that ask what we are doing and what the name of the game is.




Your right, the view of a 1000 rated player is just the same as a 500 rated player but when it comes to their view of the local DG scene most of that is based on what they see here VS everywhere else. Unfortunately most other DG areas you can name has better courses and a more lively local scene because of it and I have to deal with going to all those great courses just to come back to Houston where I play Macgregor just for fun because there isn't anywhere to go besides SV where there are decently challenging holes.


I got my start at Burke Crenshaw which is far from a good course but I didn't know any better and I am playing the game because of it. With that said there needs to be a time when you start going for quality courses VS just throwing courses together throughout town. Luckily there are enough people out there now that this is slowly moving our way.

Luckily for us we have guys like JAKE WALSDORF who know what's up and put in really fun yet challenging courses. Well the new course at Brooks won't be fun but it will be Challenging.


Matt, if I would have know you were such a DONKEY I would have returned the favor at SV but then again you have never said anything to me and I don't think I would want to play with you unless it was to take a little money. Want to play all 27 at SV for $100 as our 1st round together? Then that way you will have actually played with me and I will be $100 richer so I won't care much about your bashing of someone you know only from the internet.

Since you only know me from the internet you should also know that this message board brings out the worst in me since I am always confronted by either people who haven't been around the scene, haven't been outside the scene, or haven't taken in anything from the places outside of Houston to use to make houston golf better and go along with the status quo. Oh and Houston DG has been the joke of other Texans longer than I have been around so I guess that won't change either.




Why is it that nobody on here who disagrees with me has been around longer than a few years besides Larry?

[Mr. Blue]

Funny, actually, you and I have played in several rounds together over the past couple of years. Never once have I denied you have a talent. And to read the statement above that I wrote, I merely address a spoken frustration.
I have no problem plyaing you, or anyone else for that matter. I've played with you on some of your worst days, and some of your better days. No matter. My point was the same. I say people's efforts here are not appreciated for what they are. I say that these efforts will only evolve with support and CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. It is the comments that tell myself or others to piss off, or the unecessary slams that come from you that rile many up on here to begin with. Your talent is largely overshadowed by your comments.
Hey man, I'm not everyones cup of tea God knows. Are there things around here that should change? Sure, in fact I too assist my local courses in many ways. I sponsor, I've gotten deserving players sponsored when they couldn't afford to play. I'm all for the progression of the sport. But man, you come off as a guy who's pissed at scene around here. There is no change in that here. Find a way to more appropriately work with the situation. Why not TD a few events yourself. Try it, do it better. Think you have the solution? Shoot, I'll get you sponsorship money to help you. That is how much I agree with improving the sport HERE, IN HOUSTON! But UNTIL someone steps up and does it better, I'm inclined to offer any support to those who ARE making a difference in houston. Help Birdshot, don't "boycott" or quarterback from afar. Offer to help DGC with improving Kingwood. Don't bash their efforts. You once asked what's in it for you. Whats in it for you is to see YOUR vision for disc golf in Houston come to fruition. It ain't me bashing. It's my disappointment in the lack of respect for what others ARE doing that riles me up. You wanna play, come on out. I think you'd find you and I are much more on par with ideas than you think. I'm up at SV all the time. It's home for me, and I know we have some great players that are improving because of that course and its resources. I haven't seen you there in a while. Minis on Sundays.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by Suemac

If they adopt a standard entry form, they can make it available through league directors and such

Originally Posted by ERicJ

Good constructive feedback.

And the Birdshot guys have listened:
http://www.houstonbirdshot.com/Word%...ationForm.html

Originally Posted by scoot_er

How? I think you should read here post again. Why don't they print out 100 forms and put them at the courses?

The generic form is available for anyone (you, Sue, league directors, etc.) to download and distribute to all the internet-challenged disc golfers out there.

[Suemac]

Originally Posted by scoot_er

How? I think you should read here post again. Why don't they print out 100 forms and put them at the courses?


I REALLY MISS GIMP!

Now the League directors can go online and print them off. Wow!

And what about those folks who only play the courses and not the leagues?

[Suemac]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

distribute to all the internet-challenged disc golfers out there.

Right there....that's what I'm talking about. Sad, sad day.