Birdshot & DGC Present: Black & Blue In Shawshank/Aug. 20, 2011

[JimKelly]

Originally Posted by ThePatrick

Playing that way takes the challenge out of the holes and changes the intention of the hole. It also bell curves the score separation to the middle with a lot of 3's. It leaves almost no twos(there are a handful of people that are capable of making a two and would weenie out if given the option). Houston makes fun of itself for having so many pitch and putt courses and then argues holes that present challenge physically and mentally. There are two tourneys coming up at Moffit if you guys are worried about safe, predictable golf. if you want to face a challenge head on and enjoy some awesome terrain not found anywhere else in the area see you at Shawshank.
(Larry this is not directed at you but I quoted you to answer your question)

1) The challenge of getting a two on the hole has not been changed.
2) The intention of the hole is to have an island green with a tin cup format. (everyone knows that will not work for tournament play)
3) Each year new rules have been explored for that hole. US Masters format has received the best feed back.
4) The layup zone brings even more strategy it doesn't make the hole any less challenging to get a two. It offers the challenge between Ego vs skill. Not skill vs made up rule.
5) The layup zone does bring the hole to a more logical normal distribution bell shape average score of three.

[ThePatrick]

Originally Posted by JimKelly

1) The challenge of getting a two on the hole has not been changed.
2) The intention of the hole is to have an island green with a tin cup format. (everyone knows that will not work for tournament play)
3) Each year new rules have been explored for that hole. US Masters format has received the best feed back.
4) The layup zone brings even more strategy it doesn't make the hole any less challenging to get a two. It offers the challenge between Ego vs skill. Not skill vs made up rule.
5) The layup zone does bring the hole to a more logical normal distribution bell shape average score of three.

So you like the bundle of threes in the middle, as opposed to a more evenly distributed set of scores? The layup zone was favorited by a smaller crossection of players that is not completely representative of the whole community. Where did you get your info on everyone's opinion of the best format for the hole?

[JimKelly]

Originally Posted by ThePatrick

So you like the bundle of threes in the middle, as opposed to a more evenly distributed set of scores? The layup zone was favorited by a smaller crossection of players that is not completely representative of the whole community. Where did you get your info on everyone's opinion of the best format for the hole?

That's correct I would rather see a normal curve standard deviation of scores, with a mean of 3.

How does a 2,4,6 format even represent a normal curve standard deviation? When 4 and 6 will be the dominant scores?

[ThePatrick]

Originally Posted by JimKelly

That's correct I would rather see a normal curve standard deviation of scores, with a mean of 3.

How does a 2,4,6 format even represent a normal curve standard deviation? When 4 and 6 will be the dominant scores?

There will be 3's from people on in 1 w/2 putt. You're over simplifying your math. It doesn't help your argument.

[JimKelly]

Originally Posted by ThePatrick

There will be 3's from people on in 1 w/2 putt. You're over simplifying your math. It doesn't help your argument.

Normal distributions are symmetrical with a single central peak at the mean (average) of the data. The shape of the curve is described as bell-shaped with the graph falling off evenly on either side of the mean. Fifty percent of the distribution lies to the left of the mean and fifty percent lies to the right of the mean.

How does a hole that has very challenging 2 that produces the occasional 3 and 5 and will be dominated by 4,6 scores even begin to represent a Normal distribution.

[ThePatrick]

Originally Posted by JimKelly

Normal distributions are symmetrical with a single central peak at the mean (average) of the data. The shape of the curve is described as bell-shaped with the graph falling off evenly on either side of the mean. Fifty percent of the distribution lies to the left of the mean and fifty percent lies to the right of the mean.

How does a hole that has very challenging 2 that produces the occasional 3 and 5 and will be dominated by 4,6 scores even begin to represent a Normal distribution.

It's a par 4. I just changed it magically. Does that help?

[JimKelly]

Originally Posted by ThePatrick

It's a par 4. I just changed it magically. Does that help?

lol

[ThePatrick]

Originally Posted by JimKelly

lol

Good we still have laughter.
If you do take the six you have 41 other holes to make it up on. It is being played only once. I have also heard a rumor that death row will only be played once as well.

[ChrisMacG]

Originally Posted by ThePatrick

It's a par 4. I just changed it magically. Does that help?

Is this retroactive? Will it affect my ratings from USM? Can your magic also help my putts?

[ThePatrick]

No but a wizard can