Mozola Mini Labor Day Doubles 5 pm

[bettercounsel]

On Monday September 6, 2010, the mini at Mozola will be a random draw doubles. $10 entry fee for all, ace pot and mulligan included. Registration: 4:30 to 4:45 pm. Players meeting: 4:45 pm. Shotgun start: 5:00 pm.

[underpar24]

Is it cool to come to random draw doubles by yourself. what i mean by this is......If i come by myself will I be the only odd person out? or is it common for people to come solo?

[Smokin' Joe]

that's what random draw dubs is. MATCHMAKER.

[derek]

Originally Posted by underpar24

Is it cool to come to random draw doubles by yourself. what i mean by this is......If i come by myself will I be the only odd person out? or is it common for people to come solo?

its actually best to be the odd person out if it happens that way, because youll get two throws

[LOU18132]

Originally Posted by derek

its actually best to be the odd person out if it happens that way, because youll get two throws

Not likely.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by LOU18132

Not likely.

What is the Cali, i.e. odd-person-out rule for this Mini? One extra throw per hole, or one extra throw per lie?

I think I'm with Lou on this one. Most TX Doubs seem like they play Cali with one extra throw per hole, not per lie like all the real teams get. Unless you're a Pro or get paired with a very bad player the one extra throw will typically put you at a disadvantage vs. the field of teams getting two throws per lie.

The rationalization there is that since the Cali player is only putting up one entry fee vs. a team's two entry fees they should be at a disadvantage. I've heard of some doubles that let the Cali player pay 2x the entry fee (including ace pot) to get one extra throw per lie. But I think that gives the Cali player too much of an advantage. (Think about how many times you sink that second putt attempt in casual rounds when you make the adjustment.)

I've developed a liking to a Cali system like this:

• Pro & Advanced Cali players get one extra throw per hole to be used on any throw they want, i.e. drive, upshot, or putt.
• Intermediate players get two extra throws per hole to be used on any shots they want, but limited to two total shots per lie, i.e. you can not save both extra shots to the end to get three chances to putt from the same lie.
• Rec & Novice players get three extra throws per hole, same restrictions as Intermediate.

The extra shots are played best-shot style where you have the option to play from the best one just like the other doubles teams.

Also, technically all AM age protected divisions are "Advanced" divisions, but for the purpose of this you could group MM1 with Pro/Advanced-1 extra shot, MG1 with Intermediate-2 extra shots, and MS1 with Rec/Novice-3 extra shots.

Whatever you do... a Cali player that only pays into the Ace Pot once should only win the Ace Pot if they hit it on their first tee shot, not a second tee shot on the same hole. Entering the Ace Pot side bet entitles a player to 18 chances at an Ace. A Cali player shouldn't get potentially 36 chances for the same price.

[derek]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

What is the Cali, i.e. odd-person-out rule for this Mini? One extra throw per hole, or one extra throw per lie?

I think I'm with Lou on this one. Most TX Doubs seem like they play Cali with one extra throw per hole, not per lie like all the real teams get. Unless you're a Pro or get paired with a very bad player the one extra throw will typically put you at a disadvantage vs. the field of teams getting two throws per lie.

The rationalization there is that since the Cali player is only putting up one entry fee vs. a team's two entry fees they should be at a disadvantage. I've heard of some doubles that let the Cali player pay 2x the entry fee (including ace pot) to get one extra throw per lie. But I think that gives the Cali player too much of an advantage. (Think about how many times you sink that second putt attempt in casual rounds when you make the adjustment.)

I've developed a liking to a Cali system like this:

• Pro & Advanced Cali players get one extra throw per hole to be used on any throw they want, i.e. drive, upshot, or putt.
• Intermediate players get two extra throws per hole to be used on any shots they want, but limited to two total shots per lie, i.e. you can not save both extra shots to the end to get three chances to putt from the same lie.
• Rec & Novice players get three extra throws per hole, same restrictions as Intermediate.

The extra shots are played best-shot style where you have the option to play from the best one just like the other doubles teams.

Also, technically all AM age protected divisions are "Advanced" divisions, but for the purpose of this you could group MM1 with Pro/Advanced-1 extra shot, MG1 with Intermediate-2 extra shots, and MS1 with Rec/Novice-3 extra shots.

Whatever you do... a Cali player that only pays into the Ace Pot once should only win the Ace Pot if they hit it on their first tee shot, not a second tee shot on the same hole. Entering the Ace Pot side bet entitles a player to 18 chances at an Ace. A Cali player shouldn't get potentially 36 chances for the same price.

one extra throw per hole, thats the way ive always played it

[bmugwump]

I've always thought that Cali should get the same number of shots as the teams do....it only seems fair....but most people I've played with only allow the one extra shot per hole. Is there no clear cut rule for doubles through PDGA rules, as far as this is concerned?

[tarazarr]

for me playing cali......just means 2 identically bad throws sometimes in different directions......I like having a partner

[derek]

doubles always throws me off because of the pace and the timing of it all, but for some people they like it better